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Old 11-23-2008
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Alright everyone, this is more of a poll than anything, but what I'm posting here is a commonly asked question among Yu-Gi-Oh fans; I'm sure that a thousand pages back someone has posted the same question, but this is my post and not theirs. My question is: Ryou Bakura, gay or wrongly accused? It is my belief that our Ryou Bakura is most certainly homosexual, or at least bisexual, judging by not only his feminine qualities, but his suggestive actions around other men. I'm not sure if any other Yu-Gi-Oh fans remember this, but during Mai and Anzu's duel (that never existed in the original manga) Ryou was groping Yugi? Or another time during Yami no Yugi and Seto's duel he was clinging to Jonouchi? There are other things I've noticed about our dear Ryou, but I won't mention them just here for length's sake. Please post your opinion, I'd be happy to hear it.
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Old 11-23-2008
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He's asexual. He just doesn't care about people in that way.
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I don't know... he always struck me as more air-headed than anything. It would help if he was actually in some episodes. I mean, seriously, after Duelist Kingdom there's only about five episodes where he isn't controlled by his yami, unconcious, or trapped in the Shadow Realm.
On the other hand, he certainly did look shocked in season zero when Miho started hitting on him....
I have to say, though, that Ryou's homosexually suggestive tendencies sort of pale in comparison to certain other Yu-Gi-Oh characters (*cough*Zigfried*cough*), so the question is how much we're supposed to read into that. I haven't read the manga so I don't know what may have been lost or added in translation to anime. I mean, look at what happened to Sam and Frodo in the LOTR movies---- that wasn't really in the books.
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Get hobbies, people
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Booga if I know! :/

But seriously, I don't think he has a preference. Even if we did know, those F-tards would just delete those scenes.[you know who I'm talking about...]
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Wrongly accused, I think. Mainly because a lot of the characters in YuGiOh act very gay. Like Zigfried or Yugi (when talking to Yami) but mainly Zigfried. Also, Bakura's "not gay, just British" <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley1.png'>
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Also, I'm not a raging yaoi fan like some people.
And that most yaoi fans look for a reason to draw that kind of stuff.
Trust me,most of my friends are yaoi fanatics, I on the other hand, don't like at all...
So I would just stick to my 'no preference' theory.
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I'm not a raging yaoi fan like some people... most yaoi fans look for a reason to draw that kind of stuff.
If you want my opinion I believe it's really the other way around; to a lot of people yaoi, (or just homosexuality in general), is a disturbing or awkward subject; mainly due to the Christian beliefe (say what you will, but I'm a proud Wiccan), that it is wrong. Since so many people think that way, when proof is shoved under their nose they'll turn away in disgust and deny it. Yaoi fans for the most part are very open-minded people, you don't have to love it to accept it, so I don't get along with haters. (I'm bisexual myself, and I must say homosexuality is not a sin, but a preferance).
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I haven't read the manga so I don't know what may have been lost or added in translation to anime.
Quite a bit was lost in the making of the manga into the anime; I'm a hard-core fan and have read and re-read the Yu-Gi-Oh mangas severall times, I have the whole collection in my room; it never actually comes out and says it, but it is heavily implied that not just Ryou, but most Yu-Gi-Oh males, are indeed gay. (You know, Kazuki Takahashi was bisexual himself). All the eveidance is there if you look for it.
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So are we saying they're gay by American standards, or by Japanese standards?

Because as far as I'm aware, Japanese men tend to be much more open to their sexuality than American men (or the west in general). In the west, it's not manly or masculine enough to be affectionate towards other men.
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I'm not sure if any other Yu-Gi-Oh fans remember this, but during Mai and Anzu's duel (that never existed in the original manga) Ryou was groping Yugi? Or another time during Yami no Yugi and Seto's duel he was clinging to Jonouchi?
So if I was clinging onto some of my girl friends during an intense battle we were watching, that would make me a lesbian.
And he wasn't really "groping," that was just an abridged quote. He was just clinging to his shoulders.

By your logic, that'd be the case. However, most people don't assume stuff like that about women. They only assume that stuff about men. Honestly, why is that? Why has masculinity turned into emotionless, unaffectionate, lady-pimping? I don't think that's what was intended to be of men. The scene between Yuugi and Yami in Yuugi's room about how Yuugi questions Yami's person and why he's here and who he is (or in the English version, the conversation about failing in a duel)... there's a clip of that scene on YouTube and a lot of people are like, "HOMG THEY'RE SO GAY EEEWWWW!" or "HOMG THEY'RE SO GAY IT'S THE GREATEST THING EVER!!"
And it's just like, "Now wait a second. Why can't there be an in between?" Seriously, why can't there just be a deep friendship? Even if it is a bit homoerotic, that doesn't necessarily make someone gay. David and Jonathon were best friends in the Bible and they used to dance and get naked together all the time and David had a bunch of wives. Of course back in Biblical days, people didn't really care about gay and straight binaries, in fact they probably didn't exist aside from the fact that it was wrong for a man to "lay down with another man the way he would lay down with a woman." Other than sex itself they were allowed to act how they wanted with people of the same sex/gender.

I guess my point is, just because Ryou does these things, it automatically makes him gay? I just have a hard time believing it. I don't think it's fair to him to put him in such a social construct that may very well differ from his own culture, you know?
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it never actually comes out and says it, but it is heavily implied that not just Ryou, but most Yu-Gi-Oh males, are indeed gay.
Let's take a step backwards for a moment:
~Yuugi crushes on Anzu
~Joey crushes on Mai
~Honda and Duke crush on Shizuka
~Priest Seto loved Kisara but in the present time most likely could never find someone to replace her (so asexual, I suppose)
~Mokuba is probably too young to have a definite sexual orientation
~Yami no Bakura will use anyone at any given situation to get what he wants. Doesn't matter who he ends up working for. I don't think he could love anyone with his warped conscience.
~Yami no Malik is the same way, except he just wants to kill everyone

I think I've listed most of the YGO males already. At least the main ones.

The main ones who remain:
~Atem
~Ryou
~Malik

I'll finish later when I'm not so tired.
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I have a Wiccan friend, 3 aithiest friends[1 of them doesn't like yaoi], and several christian friends[one of my Christan friends is bi]. I think it has to do with your up-bringing, and morals-not religion.
I have nothing against people and their preferences. I just don't like displays of affection in general, not even straight couples.
The point is, I don't mind bi people and what not, you just don't have to give me a lecture or shove it down my throat.
You can point a gun at your feet in the comfort of your own home, I just don't have know about it.[figure of speech]...
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It all comes down to preference, I believe. Since Ryou Bakura isn't exactly on screen a lot in the anime, judging from that you could say he's like Aberforth and loves goats.

... Or not. Just saying. XD

I haven't read a lot of the manga (it's a bitch to find where Iive, but I'm working on it!), so I couldn't tell you much, although I have heard that he was the only male who didn't react to Mai's appearance in a... erm... hormonaly driven way? *Shrugs* Not that it says much, anyway.

I write him gay for my fanfiction, but, again, that's just me.
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Old 11-26-2008
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I just remembered an instance in the anime. It's cut from the English version in case you're wondering why those of you who've only seen the English version don't remember this.

It was episode 28 (equivalent to episode 16 of TAS), and Anzu, Ryou, and Honda are climbing up a tower on Pegasus' castle. Honda demands that Anzu go up the rope first so that if she falls either Honda or Ryou could catch her. Anzu refuses and Honda's like, "Why not?" and Anzu pulls down her skirt and goes, "Oh, you know!!" Ryou finds out what she's talking about and gasps. Honda is still clueless so Ryou whispers in his ear what she's talking about.

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I don't know exactly what this says about him, other than that he knows a bit more about skirts than Honda. That's also not a very hard thing to achieve because Honda is kind of an idiot. xD

I'm with Danny in that Ryou doesn't care about people like that. I don't really imagine him wanting to be in a romantic relationship with anyone. I actually don't blame him, really. He says in the manga that he's not good with girls when he's first introduced as a character, so that probably means he's not good with any kind of romance in general.
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to a lot of people yaoi, (or just homosexuality in general), is a disturbing or awkward subject; mainly due to the Christian beliefe (say what you will, but I'm a proud Wiccan), that it is wrong. Since so many people think that way, when proof is shoved under their nose they'll turn away in disgust and deny it.
Watch what you say. It goes the other way around as well.
Take Joey and Kaiba, for example. EXTREMELY popular yaoi pairing. Yet there's clear proof that neither of them are gay, especially not for each other. Yaoi fans "turn away in disgust and deny it."

As a Catholic, I don't care if a gay pairing is canon in an anime, as long as
A. They're not the main pairing
B. It makes sense

I'm a HUGE fan of Sailor Moon yet there's lesbianism in that show. I don't turn away from it in disgust.
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Old 12-03-2008
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You argue your point well, Sally-Chan, but we're talking about Ryou-Kun here and not other characters or yaoi pairings. Either way, I won't admit you're wrong with that list of yours; perhaps it was a shade harsh to call all of the Yu-Gi-Oh characters gay, I should have put bi-sexual. /laughs/ But you don't honestly believe that characters like Yuugi or Seto are completely straight, do you? I've spent my entire life around gay men, and trust me they're nothing like the way they present them in movies; my older brother is gay, my mother is a lesbian, I'm bi-sexual (and so are most of my friends), my friend's older brother is gay, and I have three gay friends myself. I'm not forcing anyone to believe anything, but if Ryou's straight, then I'm a goat. (The only characters in the show I don't believe to be homosexual or bisexual are Jonouchi and Honda-Kun; I'm not completely over the top you know.)

Lol, sorry about the Abridged Series quote, I actually wasn't thinking of that episode when I chose the word "groping" maybe "clinging" would have been a better choice, eh? I actually thought Ryou was gay long before I even knew the Abridged Series existed; I made this decision after watching the entire show (in Japanese and English) and reading all of the manga (I have the full collection in my room). It's not as if I took one look at Ryou and made my choice, I really did think about it and all in all that's the way the cards fell. /shrugs/ my sister and many other fans I've talked too agree with me.

I think I've mostly proven my point, or defended it in any case, when it comes to Ryou Bakura. The way things look to me, is that Jonouchi and Honda-Kun are heterosexual, I'll say Yuugi, Ryugi (Duke), Seto, Marik, and Yami Yuugi are bi-sexual, and Ryou Bakura (main subject) is homosexual. I think the only characters I left out are Mokuba, (I agree he's too young to have a preference) and Yami no Marik and Bakura. Yami no Marik I'm not sure you could call a person, in the manga and anime he's said to be nothing more than a masochist / sadistic weirdo of Marik's own making, so in other words he's Marik minus everything that makes him human, and that includes sexual preference. Yami no Bakura is a little more complex then all that. In the anime they say he' the Thief King reborn, but in the manga Kazuki Takahashi claims he's both, if you read carefully anyway. He admits to being Zorc Necrophades in the first manga (I think, it's been a while) but throughout all 7 books drops little hints like "The thief’s soul in my ring can sense it..." and other such things.

The whole point of that was to say that I believe Yami Bakura to be a strange mix of The Thief King and Zorc Necrophades. If he were only Zorc Necrophades, then that wouldn't explain the few human moments he sometimes shows, (Like when he saved Ryou's life, or thought he was saving it; he says it's because he needs a body, but he could easily have found a new host if he had wanted too, he didn't need Ryou). And if he were only the Thief King, even obsessed with revenge I don't think he could be so cruel / sadistic. All of this said, I don't think Yami Bakura has a preference of gender, and any "love" he can feel would probably be more like "lust" and gender doesn't matter. Then again, it all comes down to theories and preferences.
I'm with Danny in that Ryou doesn't care about people like that. I don't really imagine him wanting to be in a romantic relationship with anyone. I actually don't blame him, really. He says in the manga that he's not good with girls when he's first introduced as a character, so that probably means he's not good with any kind of romance in general.
You take it as an insult to Ryou to call him homosexual, but you can say he's asexual and be alright with it? I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I don't think that's a very kind thing to say. He's not like Yami no Marik, and I believe he is perhaps the most normal (meaning human) character on the show. Thank you for pointing that out, Sally, Ryou does say when he is first introduced in the sixth manga that he's not good with girls, so that instantly makes him asexual? /anime sweatdrop/ I would think that instantly makes him gay, adding of course everything I've said before.

I know you said that the Japanese are more open with their sex, and I know that, Sally-Chan; my mother lived all over the world and told me everything she saw their in the eight years she spent. But in case you didn't remember, Ryou is an exchange student. In the English anime they have him appear British, in the Japanese version they don't say, and same goes for the manga. It doesn't matter where from, really, I'm sure we can exclude anywhere in the middle-east, or east in general, so wouldn't that make him from the west somewhere? I don't think the English anime was far off, if at all.
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Old 12-04-2008
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Ryo has quite a shy personality, so I think the "I'm not good with girls" thing doesn't necessarily make him homosexual or asexual. Just...shy. And he has a feminine appearance, but he's an anime character, and that's quite typical of anime boys. I personally don't think he's gay.
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Or another time during Yami no Yugi and Seto's duel he was clinging to Jonouchi?
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Oh wait, I think I remember where that quote is from... I think it was from abridged episode 14, and in the actual episode both Bakura and Honda are holding Jounouchi back from getting into a fight with Kaiba. So there was no actual "clinging" there, it's just that both Bakura and Honda felt responsible for stopping Joey because they both happened to be right next to him.

Blair, I admit you have an advantage in that you've read all the manga and seen all the anime, which I haven't done yet. However seeing that your background is filled with many more people who are homosexual, it kinda seems like you're looking for smaller details to prove your points. Again I could be wrong because I don't know what exactly is revealed of him in the manga, but in the anime it's kept at a low level because really, it doesn't matter. I remember hearing that Yu-Gi-Oh is much more about friendship than romance, which is one of the things that I really like about it (minus the friendship speeches, at least in the English version because for some reason when hearing them in Japanese, it isn't as tacky).
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Ryo has quite a shy personality, so I think the "I'm not good with girls" thing doesn't necessarily make him homosexual or asexual. Just...shy.
Thank you, that was actually my first impression of the quote as well. I never said he was asexual because of that quote, he could just see himself as bad at romance in general and therefore not really be interested at the moment. Besides, I don't see him as being like, "I'm not good with girls... but guys on the other hand...!" You know? By nature he's not very headstrong unless he knows that it's up to him to save his friends' lives, male or female.

I think the main reason why I'm so against the idea of Ryou being gay is because I honestly don't see him wanting to be with any of the male characters in this series. It's not what he needs and it's probably not what he wants.
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And he has a feminine appearance, but he's an anime character, and that's quite typical of anime boys.
You bring up an interesting point, too. His appearance =/= his sexual orientation.

However, if you want to talk gender, he definitely has a strange mix between male and female characteristics. Now, when talking queer theory, there's a difference between sex and gender. Sex is your biological genitalia and your gender is your social characteristics, essentially. It is a stretch to call him transgendered though, because he still prefers to be referred to as a male, plus Anzu is still offended at the thought of Ryou potentially looking up her skirt. However, gender and sexual orientation aren't the same thing, and I think people think he's gay because he has feminine qualities (as one of their reasons).
There are also queer theorists who say that there is no gender, but I don't think I quite agree with that because there are male and female characteristics that we are simply born with based on our biological sex.
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But you don't honestly believe that characters like Yuugi or Seto are completely straight, do you?
Yuugi is probably bi-curious. He has an interesting relationship with Atem. I remember Dan Green calling it a father-son relationship but I see it more as a big brother-little brother relationship. I think Yuugi sees himself as inferior to Atem for a while and finds Atem's spirit and strength attractive. Though as other queer theorists have stated (and I agree), having gay thoughts doesn't make you gay. It's those gay thoughts mixed with potentially gay actions that make you gay, and I have yet to see that in Yuugi.

As for Kaiba, from what I have seen he has no interest in anyone at all whatsoever, aside from Kisara. Could you perhaps give me some evidence for your argument? <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'>
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I haven't spent my entire life around gay people, but I do know a few, and you're right they don't all act like they do in the movies (though I actually do know a few that fit the stereotype, but not all of them do obviously). You may have more knowledge but I'm not completely ignorant.
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All of this said, I don't think Yami Bakura has a preference of gender, and any "love" he can feel would probably be more like "lust" and gender doesn't matter. Then again, it all comes down to theories and preferences.
I see Yami Bakura as being much like Iago from Shakespeare's Othello. Pretty much Iago is the villain who feels no remorse for anything that he's ever done, nor does he ever have "motivation" for anything that he's doing, he just does it because it's fun. There is a part in the play where he says something about how he can pretend to have all these reasons for hating Othello (ie because he's jealous of his position of power, he's racist, etc) but really he's not any of those but is willing to pretend. He pretends to be honest, thus the nickname Othello gives him, "Honest Iago." When he definitely isn't honest. But that's a bit off topic.
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my sister and many other fans I've talked too agree with me.
And there are many others who would disagree (as you can see in this thread). But as I said before, it probably doesn't even matter. If it did, they'd probably make it more obvious. :/
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But in case you didn't remember, Ryou is an exchange student. In the English anime they have him appear British, in the Japanese version they don't say, and same goes for the manga. It doesn't matter where from, really, I'm sure we can exclude anywhere in the middle-east, or east in general, so wouldn't that make him from the west somewhere? I don't think the English anime was far off, if at all.
Yes, I remember that he's a transfer student. But considering his name, it'd be safe to assume that he just traveled from school to school all over Japan. He lives by himself, but his father owns the museum in Domino City, doesn't he? I remember hearing that's in the manga somewhere.

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good bakura or evil bakura?
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"Ryou Bakura" almost always refers to the good Bakura, as opposed to "Yami Bakura" who is evil. So yeah, the good one.
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You could have also read the topic to get that.
Unless you hate reading walls of text. :/
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I think that all of the arguments on this page are well thought out and much more than I expected to find in this. my personal opinion is that you portray him however you want to portray him; as a fictional character, with much less screen time than most inanimate objects in yu-gi-oh, who's actual preferences are never outright shown (as pointed out, he's a shy guy; that's his character), there is NO WAY to say if he is or isn't, baring, of course, a continuation of the series.
that being said, there are a few issues I have with some of the previous statements, and I hope I didn't miss them being explained.
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It was episode 28 (equivalent to episode 16 of TAS), and Anzu, Ryou, and Honda are climbing up a tower on Pegasus' castle. Honda demands that Anzu go up the rope first so that if she falls either Honda or Ryou could catch her. Anzu refuses and Honda's like, "Why not?" and Anzu pulls down her skirt and goes, "Oh, you know!!" Ryou finds out what she's talking about and gasps. Honda is still clueless so Ryou whispers in his ear what she's talking about.

I don't know exactly what this says about him, other than that he knows a bit more about skirts than Honda.
in the manga (and I'm pretty sure season zero too), Ryou has a sister. that ALONE would put him in more of a position to know more about 'skirts', and as Honda does not have any siblings, he would not.
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All of this said, I don't think Yami Bakura has a preference of gender, and any "love" he can feel would probably be more like "lust" and gender doesn't matter. Then again, it all comes down to theories and preferences.
I thought we were talking about Ryou. not that it isn't extremely interesting, and it gave me a little more perspective on Bakura, but it is about Ryou's darker half, not Ryou. the only reason I could understand this in regards to this argument is that in some way Bakura's preference would influence Ryou's preference (by sharing the same body or...?), which would be a very interesting topic all on it's own (the influence Bakura has on Ryou).

I can't find it, but up somewhere in the multiple walls of text there was some one saying that Ryou's name suggested that he moved from another part of japan. but I believe it was in a character bio done by Kasuki Takahashi himself that said that ryou was half Japanese, half English (probably his excuse for having Ryou speak Japanese fluently), but that being said, doesn't that make Ryou come from England, which means he would still be held to the European code of gayness acceptability, rather than japan's, which is admittedly very much more 'who really cares who you sleep with, anyway?' and more open to brotherly affection, as it is probably what kept most people alive in earlier arras, and (like the practice of kendo and karate) hasn't completely faded out.

these are just some of the things I saw, and felt either further explanation from those who said it, or to throw my two cents in.

please let it be noted that after procrastinating from joining this site, I joined just so I could post my opinion on this tread. sooooo sad.
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People, I couldn't care less, I mean the only thing worse than having a joke conversation about whether a CARTOON PERSON is gay or not, it having a serious one, I mean come on guys, none of us on here would call ourselves cool or anything, but there is a line and this is crossing it

The only time I even think about Bakura's gayness is when LK makes joke out of it and then it is just @LAUGH/THINK THAT IS SO TRUE,@

PS=Just to make myself a complete hypocritic, Sally you are wrong about "ancient gayness"

It first came into real thought in early Ancient Egypt, (ironically enough,) where just another way of living,
-before this wasn't really enough evidence to show what was thought of it, so ether wasn't major thing or maybe it wasn't even thought of (PS, before Egypt, my history is pretty poor, so feel free to correct me))

Anyway by the time you talk of, the Jewish "empire" was at its height and Gayness was thought about/not accepted at all, but you are right, people's way of acting was different, so what we would see as gay, would merely be normal practice in this time (PS don't use bible as refence, it would grace Wikipedia as source)

Though, ironically, at the time of the Roman empire, gayness was allowed, though maybe frowned on
which means, our general idea's of gayness (in controlling orthodoxes at lest, (IE biggest bully at the time)) seems to go through full cycles. AKA by time we British, stopped drinking from mud cups (so we could start drinking tea,) and started taking over, it had gone back being seen as wrong, <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley2.png'>
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I was using the Bible as a reference because Blair was talking about how Christianity is what causes people to deny certain people's sexual orientation and just wanted to mention how the original Judeo-Christian text doesn't condemn homoerotic activities themselves as long as they aren't actually sexual. I wasn't saying anything about anything else, so how could I be wrong? Of course homosexual sex and whatnot existed and was part of other cultures; (that's actually in the Bible too, believe it or not) I'm not naive of that. I never said that it didn't.

Yeesh, because I'm a Christian I suddenly don't know anything about gay people? I don't claim to be an expert on the subject because I'm not, but that doesn't mean I don't have clue about anything. Just by going to university and being around more gay people and studying about homosexuality in Psychology and queer theory in literature class I feel like I'm learning a lot more, and even before that in my Catholic high school there were gay guys too, one of them I had known since first grade but didn't officially "come out" until 9th grade. Again there is a lot I don't know, particularly about the specifics from various cultures, but I'm pretty sure I know the basics, at least most of them.

Now that that's done...
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my personal opinion is that you portray him however you want to portray him; as a fictional character, with much less screen time than most inanimate objects in yu-gi-oh, who's actual preferences are never outright shown (as pointed out, he's a shy guy; that's his character), there is NO WAY to say if he is or isn't, baring, of course, a continuation of the series.
I can agree with this. That's part of the reason why I don't really like to say he's either-or.
Again, I'm mostly against the idea of Ryou being with any of the male characters in the show. Heck, the only female character in the show that I could ever see him with is Shizuka, and that's really stretching it. And I mean really. It's just a speck in the back of my mind that goes, "Eh, uber crack can be fun I guess..."
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in the manga (and I'm pretty sure season zero too), Ryou has a sister. that ALONE would put him in more of a position to know more about 'skirts', and as Honda does not have any siblings, he would not.
Duh, of course. I knew that. XD
You're absolutely right. Joey I know would have caught onto that sooner than Honda as well.
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but I believe it was in a character bio done by Kasuki Takahashi himself that said that ryou was half Japanese, half English (probably his excuse for having Ryou speak Japanese fluently),
Really? I've never heard of this bio. Is it in the manga anywhere or on the YGO Wiki? I'd LOVE a link (being a huge Ryou fan and all and never have had any luck finding an official bio, just going by what other fans say about him).
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please let it be noted that after procrastinating from joining this site, I joined just so I could post my opinion on this tread. sooooo sad.
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Sally, I was winding you up when said don't use Bible as refence lol, you know me cannot help myself

As for rest, well its point was more a general 1, that you should=

-first: not mix cultural actions with cultural beliefs and gayness is 1 of the best examples of this happening. In African island community, Man are expected to have sex with other man before they are married to Woman, (it is seen as a good way of practicing I suppose,) anyway that is not point, the point is, that in most countries this would be considered a Gay action, however to them it is not, merely normal practice, but if 2 man were to fall in love even without sex, then it would be classed as gayness in that society. And so back to my point, You were saying in Bible gayness is not seen as wrong. However it is seen as wrong, just the cultural actions of gayness at that time, had a far different value to 1's today. ( However on reading your post again, I think you may have been trying to make part of that point anyway)

The second point was one of advice (you see, I am so great, I can do that <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley7.png'> ) that you usually find these things go around in circles, so do not fall into the trap of believing, ether Gayness was seen as natural everyday thing in past, as some (I use this term lightly) Pro-Gays do or it never seen/allowed in past as (again, a lightly used term) some Anti-Gays do. It all again comes down to cultural structure and the historical location you use.

Also to be fair, both arguments are equally foolish as are useless, because if did happen in past, does not make it right, we had public stoning and ate dung for dinner, should start those practices again. And if didn't happen, well in past we didn't have sewer systems and public health systems (well we British do anyway) should they go because they were not in past.

PS:Please tell me, there is not really a subject called "Queer Theory" <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley3.png'>
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There is.
It's not as bad as you think. At first with Feminist Theory I was like, "Oh crap, feminist theory, it's just a bunch of loud obnoxious women who think that stay-at-home moms wearing aprons are slaves to men and that in order to be a woman you have to try and be better than a man" when that's not necessarily the case. Just like how Queer Theory isn't just, "Oh it's just a bunch of gays and lesbians screaming for marriage rights and calling everyone who believes otherwise a homophobe."

All these types of "theories" are very open-ended and there are many different type of people in every spectrum. For example, there are feminists like Sarah Palin and feminists like Hillary Clinton. EXTREMELY different people right there, and they don't share the same beliefs for the most part, they just believe that women should be equal.

As for the rest of your post, as a whole I agree with it or I'm just willing to let it go and say it's not worth arguing.
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Sally, I was winding you up
Meanie. :P
lol

Anyways, back to Ryou Bakura... you really do have to feel bad for the guy. Being possessed by an evil soul from Egypt, forcing himself to separate from the rest of his family, being possessed for days... honestly it doesn't even matter if he's gay or straight. I personally just don't see him being in any sort of relationship in his condition.
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I will have to take your word on that <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley5.png'>

Unless, I just to go to one of these <img src='/images/emoticons/smiley2.png'>
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He's a homo, just not as much as the fan boy or Zigfried...OR Pegasus for that matter. Now YAMI Bakura is definately heterosexual. But what about Seto Kaiba? Homo or hetero? I shall post!
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I believe that Ryou is bisexual, at the very least. His shy and quiet nature, like Quirkbiscuits said, makes it hard tell. Girls and boys are drawn to him, they like him. As for if he is more gay than straight, i vote more gay. I just get the feeling that he is more submissive than dominant.
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You raise an interesting point.

Does submissive = gay? Or is it more complex than that?

As for jcv:
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He's a homo, just not as much as the fan boy or Zigfried...OR Pegasus for that matter.
Pegasus?
He was obsessed with Cindia (Cecilia). So obsessed he'd do anything to bring her back from the death. I'd call Pegasus bi.
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Now YAMI Bakura is definately heterosexual.
Why do you say that?
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But what about Seto Kaiba? Homo or hetero? I shall post!
I wish you'd put reasonings down for either, because I have yet to see any reasoning to support the fact that he's gay. The only evidence of straightness we have is Kisara, and that was from thousands of years ago (plus in the present he still gets visions of her). If anyone would like to hop in on that discussion, feel free.
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Going on a tangent here...
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(You know, Kazuki Takahashi was bisexual himself)
Was?

I'm curious to know where you got this information that Takahashi is bi.

Now for my two cents on Ryou Bakura's sexuality...

All I can say is that in anime, there are so many male characters that act effeminate. In real life, our red flags go up if we ever meet a guy who acts unmanly, but that's usually not the case in anime. Therefore, Ryou's effeminate behavior does not necessarily point to a gay sexual orientation.
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I'm really, really sorry; I searched all of yesterday, but I can't find it again.
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It's fine. Maybe it got deleted. :P
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